Has anyone seen this? Anyone have any similar experiences? I thought it was interesting, even if the presenter isn't my favorite chap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBydVPp9GJI
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Has anyone seen this? Anyone have any similar experiences? I thought it was interesting, even if the presenter isn't my favorite chap
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBydVPp9GJI
... Wow. What should we be looking for? Pieces falling out of the foot,
wow thats nuts
Have not, but you could always ask our CBID rep Trish if she knows what's going on with this.
How are these confirmed fakes, or switched bands as he says? When looking at CI, cigar.com and at losblanco cigars website, none of them mention they are long filler cigars. For $39/25 I don't think you should expect too much lol.
This is kind of why I'm curious. Is this just akin to "blend changes" that haven't exactly been advertised? Or is it really stuff that should be one way being another?Quote:
Originally Posted by R1100RS
Although if you read the youtube comments (my MAIN SOURCE of ACCURATE information on the webernet), there's mention of a few incidents that have supposedly occurred with cBid re: AF smokes, Opus X, etc...
Not sure what he's after. From what I hear on the video, it sounds like he's expecting them to be long filler cigars, but they're obviously not. I can't find on any sites where they say they are indeed long filler cigars. Geez I'd hate to think what the legal ramifications could be for the guy doing these videos....
I saw this vid posted elsewhere and I was curious about it also. It would be nice if Trish could provide some info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Browns7213
Seems like a waste of time to fight this battle over an under 2 buck stick.
I saw this vid. He was not claiming it was long filler. His review/comments/dissection were related to the quality of the short filler, which appear rather unappetizing in the video.
So his point was a comparison of how quality short filler should appear compared to the floor scraps discovered within.
He titled the video, "cheap fake cigars". I don't see where the cigar is fake, the short filler is just really shortQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyMatt
I don't know Matt, go to his website and read the main title and paragraph about these and see what you think then...Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyMatt
and at :53 in this vid he says its a Los Blancos Premium (it's premiere according to the websites) and says it is billed as a long filler...
I agree that the titling and description is sensationalism and innacurate. And thanks for pointing that out as I originally saw the vid when it was part of a cigars for warrior update video. This new posting is something I had not read yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by R1100RS
The cigar quality is crap though and a poor example of quality short filler. I get bigger pieces out of a bottle of oregeno. Probably would have been better to describe the video as poor quality short filler vs good quality. The "fake" angle was wrong to use.
The first thing I thought was "did he just get here". I mean Bryan does seem to have a need for coming to conclusions swiftly. then, when there was no other references to long fillers anywhere, I thought wow, Trish and her buddies sure changed the descriptions fast after seeing that video. then I thought, no, maybe he has associated the "Premiere" in the title with "premium" which is an adjective or more to point, an opinion?
Maybe more to the point is, most can't handle the truth.
Or the majority opinion on this guy is actually correct....
Clicked the link, saw who it was, closed the window. He brings people into the hobby, so credit for him there. He just does some things I find questionable and his apparent attitude wears on me a bit. YMMV.
I haven't heard of that cigar, nor have I heard of fakes.
I don't shop online often, but so far my experience with both CI and C-Bid has been top notch.
This is why I come to the Bum and read the reviews,not youtube.
I wish we could be more circumspect when selecting thread titles. I'd really hate for any vendor to come in here and see what appears to be MORE vendor bashing which gave the old forum such a bad name in the community and stopped virtually ALL vendors from going there.
Just a thought.
I like that. well, the title thing being debatable or changed could be useful? I have had trouble with titling threads before. .. maybe this title could be "What CO should be learning today"?
Do venders just know better to allow the misled to lead the needy?
Apologies, didn't consider it vendor-bashing at all. I've had nothing but positive interactions with CI, although I don't order the types of cigars he seems to be talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herf N Turf
Was just curious to see the general consensus on it - and although I don't follow CO, it seems silly to dismiss things one guys says just because you're not fond of all of his practices.
If someone from CI were to scan through this thread, I'd hope that they wouldn't come to the conclusion that anyone was bashing them - as there seems to be an overwhelming amount of support for the company here.
This video is an excerpt from one of his "Cigars for Troops" donation videos. Before this video starts he goes on & on about surplus bands being put on these short filler cigars made of "floor sweepings", customer refunds, false advertising, etc. I looked the cigars up on CI and nowhere was I able to find where they were advertised as long filler. They're selling for a $1.60 a stick. Caveat Emptor.
Probably a good service to the community to show people what's really in these cheap smokes. Would be nice if he had his ducks in a row before calling out CI, though. I think if you're going to implicate a retailer like that, you should probably be a little more clear about what's going on. Fake cigars is a bit much for me. He's right that they're garbage, though. No issue there.
I do think CI (and others) can be, shall we say, creative with the truth, when it comes to marketing their house/budget brands. They come close without actually crossing the line into deception. Lying about long filler would be well over that line. That's different than saying these are great smokes made with high quality tobacco, which is of course subjective.
Well, on the one hand, they are not one of his advertisers and I'd be more impressed if he conducted the same experiment on one of their offerings. But on the other, I did see a video where he dismantled a Padron on the rumor some were filled with stems and he did prove it to be the case with that stick.
But I guess in the end, let's face it, we Are smoking leaves and the bottom line is a natural product is going to have some imperfections, or else it wouldn't be natural. It would be an orange. Which really isn't so orange, is it?
Well I am sure I will not be popular for stating this but... when they sell the cigar thusly: "Sink your teeth into this massively discounted blowout on premium Dominican handmades." Would that not imply it's a long filler cigar?
I mean everyone keeps saying that no where does it say it's a long filler... but then, there is no where that it says it isn't either. And by nature, you would expect a "handmade premium" cigar to be a long filler.
Let's take their Padron verbiage: "Get ready to celebrate with the Padron 1964 Series.
This limited production selection serves up a complex flavor profile consisting of coffee bean, cocoa, earth, and hazelnut. Uber-smooth and complex, each cigar is box-pressed in true Cuban tradition and aged four years, resulting in a 95-rated masterpiece. The draw: perfect. The construction: flawless. And it's available in your choice of a sun-grown natural or a dark maduro wrapper. Originally crafted to commemorate Padron's 30th anniversary, this enticing blend is sure to stir up a celebration of your very own."
Nothing there about it being a long filler either. I guess that's because were we are lead to assume that a premium cigar is a long filler.
Buyer beware isn't a model you build business on. That's why no one trusts... well you name the profession. But I will say it killed the sport of boxing. This kind of thing is bad for our hobby period.
I have no axe with CI. And I have no idea if Bryan Glen is full of it or not. But if I found that - even at $2.00, I would be some kind of upset. Moreover, I wouldn't want to lend my name to the person pushing that either.
That's my take. I have no idea if it's true or not. I sure hope not.
The liga papas fritas is not a long filler but is still hand made. Hand made means what it says... A machine did not make it its hand made. Has nothing to do with the filler inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeaGarr
I for 1 find it wrong that he is 1. Faulting them for calling it a short filler. 2. Calling it a fake.... When I hear fake cigar I think fake cuban. How can it be fake with the wording the have. 3. Accusing cigars international of this when other sites sell them. 4. The language he uses towards a company that has done nothing wrong
He calls them out for being dishonest by omission and he is clearly being dishonest by omission himself In my view. I've seen ateast one other video of him attacking them as well. why isn't he mentioning BCP? They market stuff the exact same way. Makes me think he just has an agenda.
No - I get it and i'll give you that, however there is mention of it in the verbiage at CI:Quote:
Originally Posted by Demuths1770
"Papas Fritas - El Jefe's favorite snack food, french fries! Made from the scraps of the Liga Privada line, these may be the best mixed-filler cigars in town. Big-time flavor comes packed in a 4.5" x 44 frame. And dare I say, these guys are just as good if not better than their larger brethren. Medium to full in body, complex, and downright de-lish, these little firecrackers are super-legit."
It's more about what isn't said than what is said... and implied.
In case you think I am on a CI kick - note Famous smokes verbiage:
"Liga Privada Único Serie cigars are a unique addition to Drew Estate's highly-acclaimed Liga Privada series. All of the cigars in this series are not only different in size and recipe, but they extremely limited and exceptionally delicious. Blended with 3 select Nicaraguan Cuban seed longfillers, a Connecticut River Valley stalk cut & cured Habano binder, and a Brazilian Mata Fina wrapper. The smoke is medium to full in body and marvelously complex. Order these stunning new cigars now."
Maybe what I have been led to believe the term longfiller to mean is incorrect?
I wanted to point out that while leaf is frog legged part of the mid rib is left in the leaf to help give structure to the cigar. All cigars have stems in them. He could have saved the cigar and just looked up any video on youtube of people rolling cigars and watched the way they bunch the leaf.Quote:
Originally Posted by TCBSmokes
I don't see why he's making such a fuss over a cigar that costs as much as a Dutch Master. My Big Mac doesn't look like the one in the commercials does either, is this really a surprise?
I'm no fan of how the major internet retailers advertise their wares, so I appreciate vids like this.
Much of their advertising puffery borders on false claims IMHO and if cigar retailers didn't fall into some almost-FDA federal limbo area I think the FTC would have fined them a long time ago.
At the VERY least they're guilty of a lack of full disclosure, and more likely material misrepresentation of many of their products.
Great analogy. It's even better when you consider the fact that the Big Mac probably doesn't have hamburger in it either haha :pQuote:
Originally Posted by HIM
Anyway, coming from this guy, I don't care. But man, what a great way to get hiw views up and nab a couple more subscribers!
(that's the business Brian is in)
Good pointing out Cole that in Bryan's, (what seems to be), misinterpreted reference, he creates the misrepresentation. ok, maybe that's not your point but, being a cigar roller you'll know that even a long filled stick has some other in it. He does not believe that. Even after his Padron de-construction and having Jorge Padon Jr. say so.
youtube he said "The definition of Long filler is 100% whole leaves (that can be torn for placement. If it is partial long and partial short, that is called mixed."
I just don't know where he got info on that stick. it is not a long filler. and premium has yet to be defined. .. well maybe for the FDA at least. I'm not sure if a Lieberman is a machine yet?
to me 100% whole leaves means not homogenized or reconstituted.
I kind of feel like, who cares? I prefer to smoke good cigars and I feel like most of you are in the same boat. So what if a $1-$2 cigar isn't exactly what you thought. Yea it sounded good and ended up being scraps from the ground. Maybe next time grab a Tat, AJ, AF, or something else that isn't a shot in the dark.
Maybe I'm being close minded, but it's late, I can't sleep, and I don't care :cool:
I would've thought he might enjoy the "metallic zing" and rich "long finish" from all those short fillers. :devilish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S13a1ILHjts
The problem is that noobs will think they're buying premium cigars at a discount, will smoke them, dislike them, and swear off cigars forever. Then there will be one more person (or thousands, if it happens a lot) who doesn't care at all when cigars are legislated out of existence.Quote:
Originally Posted by thechasm442
I know because I was one of those noobs. I smoked several dog rockets from Cbid and hated them until I happened to win an auction of decent sticks.
Based on a recent video on Glynn's web site, even the "Black Pearl" cigars appear to be cuban sandwich (or nearly cuban sandwich) construction.
Here's their ad copy from http://www.cigarsinternational.com/c...ck-pearl-rojo/
"La Perla Habana Rojo received an outstanding 90-point rating along with "Best Buy" honors"
Here's a dissection of the cigar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pmiTpPU4GE
I don't know if that's cuban sandwich or just a bunch of sh*tty tobacco and dust. Either way, does that look like a 90-rated cigar inside?
Maybe he has a vendetta against them because they wouldn't give him free cigars so he could buy his motorcycle. :stogie:
Short filler cigars doesn't mean anything. I'd take Tatuaje P series (short filler cigar) over tons of crap that General Cigars pump out any day.
I dunno about n00bs being led on. Myself, I spent more time researching than smoking early on. Macanudo, Carlos Torano, and La Perla Habana were pretty much the lowest quality brands I smoked from the beginning. I've never had a victor sinclair, bahia, or any of the cigars in CI low end samplers. It's not that I want to automatically disregard them, it's just that based on research I started with better smokes, and wanted to continue on that way. I feel like knowingly smoking a shit cigar is a waste of time, so why even try?