There once was a pipe company in my town ?

Our newspaper does a Turning Back the Clock column where they post stories from the old newspapers from 25, 50, 75 and 100 years ago.
This one was in today's paper - from 1915. Apparently there was once a pipe company here ?
I wasn't thinking of smoking pipes until I saw "briar from France and Italy". That means smoking pipes, right ?
25,000 pipes a day in 1915 sounds like a large number though ?
Any thoughts or anyone ever heard of WH Utter & Son ?
Just thought some of you pipers may be interested in seeing this.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...psz64y00ws.jpg

That's awesome, Tony. Get to researching now :)

http://www.cornell.edu/assets/images...y-1200x675.jpg

Wow! Ok, I need to track down one of these pipes! I have a cigar box from the company that was here in Warren for a few decades, and now I'll need a pipe from the place just up the road from me!

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Originally Posted by Tobias Lutz

That's awesome, Tony. Get to researching now :)

http://www.cornell.edu/assets/images...y-1200x675.jpg

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Sure thing - just tell me which library she is at and I am there !

I think that library is haunted! looks like a ghost on the walkway! I did a quick search cause now I'm curious and nothing much came up except that brick expansion building.

I saw a note on one website that was a register listing of some sort that had it listed as a pipe factory. But I think the listing was much later - like the 40's and have no idea if it is still around. The notation right after this one referenced the area population at something like 15,000 so 25,000 pipes a day just seems huge !?!

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Originally Posted by cbr310

I think that library is haunted!

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Good place for a bowl of Haunted Bookshop maybe...

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Originally Posted by WNYTONY

I saw a note on one website that was a register listing of some sort that had it listed as a pipe factory. But I think the listing was much later - like the 40's and have no idea if it is still around. The notation right after this one referenced the area population at something like 15,000 so 25,000 pipes a day just seems huge !?!

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Most likely they were selling to another outfit (like a catalog), that would explain the production volume. I Google searched last night and there isn't much online about them, but I do see they lasted at least through the 40s.

Tony, do you have a historical society? A trip over there may be warranted... If you don't, I can always pop over to ours. I'm not sure how far outside of Warren County they venture, but they might at least have contacts for someone better versed in the history of your area.

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Originally Posted by AndyCAYP

Most likely they were selling to another outfit (like a catalog), that would explain the production volume. I Google searched last night and there isn't much online about them, but I do see they lasted at least through the 40s.

Tony, do you have a historical society? A trip over there may be warranted... If you don't, I can always pop over to ours. I'm not sure how far outside of Warren County they venture, but they might at least have contacts for someone better versed in the history of your area.

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Catalog ? in 1915 ?
I think that was a typo and it was 25,000 a month or year. 25,000 a day with 100 workers is 250 per employee with no real production equipment...

I'm sure we have a historical place in town. If I get a chance I'll see what I can find out, but now you're asking me to actually move my butt and do something.
I just figured you pipers know it all !

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Originally Posted by WNYTONY

Catalog ? in 1915 ?
I think that was a typo and it was 25,000 a month or year. 25,000 a day with 100 workers is 250 per employee with no real production equipment...

I'm sure we have a historical place in town. If I get a chance I'll see what I can find out, but now you're asking me to actually move my butt and do something.
I just figured you pipers know it all !

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I agree about the typo. That said, who knows, they could have been mass-producing pipes (even at 25k a month) & sending them to Sears or something like A&P.

I find it odd that there's little mention of them online outside of references to this article and one notice in the 40s. You figure a place that had to have produced a few million pipes over the years would leave something behind more substantial than a newspaper clipping.

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Originally Posted by AndyCAYP

I agree about the typo. That said, who knows, they could have been mass-producing pipes (even at 25k a month) & sending them to Sears or something like A&P.

I find it odd that there's little mention of them online outside of references to this article and one notice in the 40s. You figure a place that had to have produced a few million pipes over the years would leave something behind more substantial than a newspaper clipping.

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I'll get working on it.

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Originally Posted by WNYTONY

Our newspaper does a Turning Back the Clock column where they post stories from the old newspapers from 25, 50, 75 and 100 years ago.
This one was in today's paper - from 1915. Apparently there was once a pipe company here ?
I wasn't thinking of smoking pipes until I saw "briar from France and Italy". That means smoking pipes, right ?
25,000 pipes a day in 1915 sounds like a large number though ?
Any thoughts or anyone ever heard of WH Utter & Son ?
Just thought some of you pipers may be interested in seeing this.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e2...psz64y00ws.jpg

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Tony,

Thanks for the great find and topic.

W.H. Utter is listed as a Box Maker in 1916, with Mr. WH and another Utter on the board of directors. Perhaps this was their first (main) business?
https://books.google.com/books?
id=Q_BYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA118&lpg=PA118&dq=wH+Utter+%26 +Sons+history&source=bl&ots=rjeZItoRpD&sig=Uxrp5-7oWjXMxauCRz9NwGCLwjc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4nKTY m9TJAhVIHh4KHfU6BEUQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=wH%20Utte r%20%26%20Sons%20history&f=false

They're listed as a Pipe Maker in the 1949 RTDA. They survived at least this long so you'd think that some would have ended up on eBay.
http://pipepages.com/49rtda18.htm

http://pipepages.com/pics/49rtda18.jpg

Inexpensive pipes and I've never seen their brand, ever. @AndyCAYP may be correct that they made pipes under labels for stores (private labels) but the 1949 RTDA registry indicates that they had pipes under their own labels too, even if only a few. They may have made better pipes in 1949 or before but certainly by this time they would have had more productive ways of making the bowls. New York was the pipe capital of the USA in 1949 :).

25,000 pipes a day means: 250 pipes a day per employee. 125,000 a week (aal employees andassuming a normal 40 hour work week) and ~6,000,000 a year. There were some companies making pipes in the millions but I think the weekly number was substituted for the daily number (at least).

At 25,000 pipes per week, that would be about 1.2 million a year for the company or 12,000 per employee and 4 pipes an hour (per person). That's plausible. Based on the 1949 prices that would mean a wholesale price about ~.28c / pipe, or $3,360 a year per employee and in that works for the industry, era and salary range. Utter could have made money paying their workers ~$1,000-$1,200 on average. No idea if Utter Pipe business had grown or shrunken between 1915 to 1949.

Savinelli, with more advanced frazing machines takes 20 or so minutes to make a finished pipe (based on their data). My example is 4 pipes an hour, (15 minutes) although I'd like to know how they made the bowls, since that would have been a bottleneck.

No prices on the 1915 pipes and given the machines available, I'd think that my revised estimate is the upper limit and in 1915 it may have been half as much but there's no data, just my conjecture on how they could have made so many bowls.

Pete

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Originally Posted by NeverBend

Tony,

Thanks for the great find and topic.

W.H. Utter is listed as a Box Maker in 1916, with Mr. WH and another Utter on the board of directors. Perhaps this was their first (main) business?
https://books.google.com/books?
id=Q_BYAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA118&lpg=PA118&dq=wH+Utter+%26 +Sons+history&source=bl&ots=rjeZItoRpD&sig=Uxrp5-7oWjXMxauCRz9NwGCLwjc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4nKTY m9TJAhVIHh4KHfU6BEUQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=wH%20Utte r%20%26%20Sons%20history&f=false

They're listed as a Pipe Maker in the 1949 RTDA. They survived at least this long so you'd think that some would have ended up on eBay.
http://pipepages.com/49rtda18.htm

http://pipepages.com/pics/49rtda18.jpg

Inexpensive pipes and I've never seen their brand, ever. @AndyCAYP may be correct that they made pipes under labels for stores (private labels) but the 1949 RTDA registry indicates that they had pipes under their own labels too, even if only a few. They may have made better pipes in 1949 or before but certainly by this time they would have had more productive ways of making the bowls. New York was the pipe capital of the USA in 1949 :).

25,000 pipes a day means: 250 pipes a day per employee. 125,000 a week (aal employees andassuming a normal 40 hour work week) and ~6,000,000 a year. There were some companies making pipes in the millions but I think the weekly number was substituted for the daily number (at least).

At 25,000 pipes per week, that would be about 1.2 million a year for the company or 12,000 per employee and 4 pipes an hour (per person). That's plausible. Based on the 1949 prices that would mean a wholesale price about ~.28c / pipe, or $3,360 a year per employee and in that works for the industry, era and salary range. Utter could have made money paying their workers ~$1,000-$1,200 on average. No idea if Utter Pipe business had grown or shrunken between 1915 to 1949.

Savinelli, with more advanced frazing machines takes 20 or so minutes to make a finished pipe (based on their data). My example is 4 pipes an hour, (15 minutes) although I'd like to know how they made the bowls, since that would have been a bottleneck.

No prices on the 1915 pipes and given the machines available, I'd think that my revised estimate is the upper limit and in 1915 it may have been half as much but there's no data, just my conjecture on how they could have made so many bowls.

Pete

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I gotta say, Pete, you are an unending fount of knowledge.

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Originally Posted by NeverBend

They're listed as a Pipe Maker in the 1949 RTDA. They survived at least this long so you'd think that some would have ended up on eBay.

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Pete,

First, your knowledge of this pursuit is always awesome and pretty awe-inspiring. Thanks for being around and being active, the world needs more people like you.

When I have a minute I'm going to figure out if there's some sort of system in place to receive notifications when a title is added to eBay. Given my current schedule and the limited amount of time I have to goof off online, and my propensity to forget things not directly work or family related, I think it's safe to say I'll forget to make a weekly search for the brand to catch any current auctions. Plus, too, I'm not finding any pics or mention of pipes from this company elsewhere online so it can't come up all that often. As you said though, some must have survived.

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Originally Posted by AndyCAYP

When I have a minute I'm going to figure out if there's some sort of system in place to receive notifications when a title is added to eBay. Given my current schedule and the limited amount of time I have to goof off online, and my propensity to forget things not directly work or family related, I think it's safe to say I'll forget to make a weekly search for the brand to catch any current auctions. Plus, too, I'm not finding any pics or mention of pipes from this company elsewhere online so it can't come up all that often. As you said though, some must have survived.

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If you see one, please let me know and if you figure out how to get eBay to do an alert, please let me know that too, thanks!

Utter, based on the 1949 models, probably sold their better bowls or as finished private labels. That would have pushed up their margins a bit.

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Originally Posted by BryGuySC

I gotta say, Pete, you are an unending fount of knowledge.

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Bryan, I didn't know anything about Utter until Tony's post. I just looked it up and applied the economics from other companies.

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Originally Posted by BryGuySC

I gotta say, Pete, you are an unending fount of knowledge.

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I was just waiting for him to chime in - knew he'd know something about it, as he always seems to

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@WNYTONY ,

My Father is from Olean (allegheny, actually, but close enough).
I will be part of the search crew, but have not found anything so far (aside from the google books ref).

It would be awesome to find some.