HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Demuths1770
What about us viewers who only watch occasionally to laugh at him?
Self Obsession, indeed!
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Demuths1770
What about us viewers who only watch occasionally to laugh at him?
Self Obsession, indeed!
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Yes, it looks like he did ask his viewers to contact them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demuths1770
Is this a bad idea?
I don't think so. If those manufacturers and retails are flooded with emails, it will show them exactly how many people that they are marketing to, care about this issue.
BG maybe be over the top and hot headed, but at the heart of the issue he is right. If they totally re-blend a cigar like they did, pack it in the same boxes and labels as the original stuff and claim that it's simply a big savings and make zero mention of the re-blend, to short filler (or floor sweepings as described). That IMO, equates to bait and switch.
Fear of public knowledge and its subsequent backlash is a big motivator...
The man is a condescending self-important @$$hole. Always has been and probably always will be. That is IMVHO.
it is stated it is not a "bait and switch" rebanded cigar but instead a short filler cigar that was just not stated as a short filler but at close to 2 dollars a stick that should go unspoken that it would not be a great long filler cigar, common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Upstatemax
The original versions of those cigars were long filler...Quote:
Originally Posted by Demuths1770
IMO, it's unethical to market a cigar like it's the original thing when, clearly, it's not.
The new description does that. It's the right thing to do.
IMO some of the blame has to fall on David Blanco as well. What smart businessman would allow his name to be used on cigars that he had absolutely no control over? He'd have been better off recycling the old bands & boxes than selling them to CI and letting them put them on whatever cigar they felt like.
is there anything that shows before it was a long filler stick?? it looks like its now an exlusive to cigars international because it seems you cant find them anywhere else
the blanco website still shows THEY make them so have they changed the way the cigars are made for CI?? COs has no response from BlancoQuote:
Originally Posted by Billb1960
Yeah apparently they haven't updated it yet which is even more confusing if you don't know the back story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demuths1770
Brian is a twat for wanting the readers to e-mail the manufacturers. Great, now we can enjoy a $20 premium cigars that's "guaranteed" to be long filler cigars so some asshat that can't distinguish good tasting cigar from bad can say it's a good cigar.
Lets email all the vendors and ask if they sell fakes... What a joke
David Blanco states in the video that he still has some of the original left in stock. If you want some, the promotion code "COFANS" still works for a 25% discount. Not a bad deal for a premium cigar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demuths1770
The stupidiity to me is that the guy was acting like CI sold him fake LPs, or fake Pardons. Like being shocked that a mcdouble is not the same quality beef as NY strip. He's a total penis in my opinion.
Nevertheless it still doesn't explain why he would allow his name to be put on what are clearly low quality cigars over which he has no control. In an industry in which heritage and reputation are paramount why would you set yourself up for this kind of failure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lapithicus
LOL, gents! This is what I love about our amazing country. How in the world can a fat dope sit in his backyard and pucker his lips like a baboon over a cigar and then, in some inexplicable way, gain an audience that listens to him? LOLOLOL. Like I said above, until there is some way to measure the various grades of tobacco that produce a cigar, we will be smoking $2 'Premium' Shit Rockets and $18 'Premium' Davidoffs. Blanco is a thief. He knew what he was doing. Let's face it, guys, the only people this really affects are newbs, suckers, and fools. When I buy a $2 cigar, I know exactly what I'm getting--something I can smoke when I'm too drunk to know the difference. It's like JP1979 said in one of his posts in this thread, "He opened up a $2 cigar and discovered it was a $2 cigar." C'mon. I actually bought a 5er of those cigars and smoked one the other night. It sucked, but it was cheap.
Yeah, everyone's hindsight's 20/20. Blancos probably thought that selling off their low-profit line to CI would be beneficial since it wasn't doing well in the first place. On top of that, they can manage to make some profit by focusing on their main sellers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billb1960
Also, CI might have been the one surprised by the off-shoot quality of the cigars that the replacement factory produced. Who's in the wrong here? Who knows. What we can do is to vote with our wallet and not create a war where it's not needed.
Since this thread is now sliding toward the gutter, I think it's probably time to close it.
Whether you like Bryan, his website, his reviews or the way he contributes to this hobby or not ... I personally find the name calling and personal bashing offensive.
Your point is well taken, hindsight is 20/20 but it seems like Glynn is so busy bagging on CI he's neglected to mention the fact that if Blanco had simply refused to make the deal none of this would be an issue. He's obviously tight with Blanco so he's playing favorites and that's kind of a shitty way to do business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tman
Or you could simply curtail your participation in it, just sayin'...Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder
Hey, man. It's not about calling names. It's about calling a spade a spade. You can place as much stock in Bryan Glynn as you'd like but, at the end of the day, he's no expert on anything. What credibility could he possibly have? This is the same goofball who smoked and reviewed a fake Montecristo No. 2 on his Youtube channel!!!! That's right!!! HE BOUGHT, SMOKED, AND REVIEWED A FAKE MONTE NO. 2 ON HIS SHOW. Not only that, but he loved it and gave it a rave review. After viewers called him out on the fact that it was blatantly fake, he issued an apology. Now WTF is that? Why close this thread? I find it quite informative and a lot of the guys here are on point.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder
Yeah, I really do think Bryan was trying to side for Blanco. I almost feel sorry for David Blanco now that I think about it. Pretty sure David didn't need anyone fighting his wars. I bet David probably thinks Bryan is a *insert name here* too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billb1960
Jeez, what is with the all the Bryan Glynn bashing here?! I don't know the guy, but have enjoyed watching many of his reviews, especially when I first became interested in cigars last year. Flame away, but I think he is good for the hobby and helps get people interested.
Guys, dissenting opnions are good for a community and can be constructive. The thing is we need to keep it constructive. Constructive doesn't mean it has to be all positive mind you but it does mean we need to keep it on topic and refrain from making it personal with other members.
I'm not saying Bryan is any kind of expert and I'd imagine he'd say the same. But calling him a penis, fat, stupid, goofball, etc, etc. does nothing but degrade the discussion IMO. I guess I'm old school and don't think personal ridicules are warranted just because I don't like someone's opinion or they way they conduct themselves.
I apologize. I just think he (Bryan) should stick to reviewing cigars and not make it harder for the cigar makers than it already is. Remember that it all trickles down to us, the consumers, that pays the ultimate price. If you don't like the cigars? Fine. Don't buy them! No need to write them a letter. I hope we got better things to do in our lives.
I agree. In the same respect, calling cigar by a company "floor sweepings", "trash", "unsmokable", wouldn't you take that as a personal insult if it was your company? I know two wrongs don't make a right, but I also believe "eye for an eye".Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder
I think Glynn probably thinks he's doing the right thing but IMO he could've done it differently and when he got his hand slapped instead of learning his lesson he decided to try to up the ante and now he's taken a tact that isn't going to end up with him looking good.
You're right. And I'm not a man who resents another man's success. In fact, I'm the opposite. I praise and envy a man who has achieved success--maybe because I'm a total loser (I don't know). But I maintain my God-given right to judge the foundation of a man's success. If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, then I have the right to call it a duck. How many cigars of the thousand Glynn has reviewed are not what they appear to be? Probably a lot. I'm not picking on Glynn, per se. I think the whole cigar industry needs an overhaul. Cigar marketers can still pass off garbage as premium, even though it's cheap premium. Honestly, though, I think the end of the Embargo is going to change all industry standards and all these so-called 'premium' blends will be put in their place. They'll be out of business, where they belong.Quote:
Originally Posted by spyder
Okay, okay, OKAY!
Come on, guys. Hasn't this thread descended far enough into personal flaming and anarchic bashing such that we can say, "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH?"
Let's not forget that we are all MEMBERS of the general cigar community. Let's not forget that these blenders, rollers, manufacturers and vendors are solely here for OUR BENEFIT?
No one's out to "Fake" anyone and no one's out to intentionally rip anyone off!
If someone makes a $1.00 cigar you don't like, there's no problem in saying you don't like it, but NINETEEN PAGES of just going on and on and on and on...? Really?
How are you serving the cigar hobbyist community at large by perpetuating this sort of thing?
You lost me with the original title and the content lost me at about page 5.
Come on! We're better than this!