I wish someone would stand-up to these people

[Cool Breeze]

So the government should be able to tell a small business owner that he can't hire who he wants to hire?

Wow.

Tattooing your face, gauging your ears to the size of dinner plates and trying to convert everyone to Satanism is legal too. Think those people are getting hired? Perhaps you think the government should force businesses to hire them. After all, its legal. Being legal means absolutely nothing in this situation.

And whether or not behavior is legal or not has nothing to do with someone's race, gender or sexuality. That is an apples to oranges comparison.
Big difference in something that is in your control and something that isn't.

That's all we need is more government control over private citizens and private businesses.

[BMack]

So the government should be able to tell a small business owner that he can't hire who he wants to hire?

Wow.

Tattooing your face, gauging your ears to the size of dinner plates and trying to convert everyone to Satanism is legal too. Think those people are getting hired? Perhaps you think the government should force businesses to hire them. After all, its legal. Being legal means absolutely nothing in this situation.

And whether or not behavior is legal or not has nothing to do with someone's race, gender or sexuality. That is an apples to oranges comparison.
Big difference in something that is in your control and something that isn't.

That's all we need is more government control over private citizens and private businesses.

Agreed. While I think it's a crappy practice not to hire someone that does something perfectly legal, they shouldn't be forced to hire or no hire anyone...we're also not forced to support their crappy business

[Cool Breeze]

That's my point. The government doesn't have to do anything.
We the people can decide what businesses stay in business and which ones do not by voting with our wallets. There are several businesses I won't spend money in because I don't agree with their practices.

[Ropey]

Reminds me of the story I read about some huge company that basically set up an entire town for its workers... probably an oil or mining company somewhere in the boonies of America back in the early part of the 20th century. I don't remember exactly where or when.

The company provided infrastructure, utilities, housing, police, firefighting, schooling, etc for its employees/citizens. But it suspended many Constitutional rights in the town. Workers sued for violation of Constitutional rights. Usually you can only sue the government for violation of Constitutional rights, which was the company's defense.

Supreme Court said that if a company or non-governmental entity provided services that were very similar to what a traditional government provided, it was considered the government. Employees won.

[UncleFesterESQ]

Reminds me of the story I read about some huge company that basically set up an entire town for its workers... probably an oil or mining company somewhere in the boonies of America back in the early part of the 20th century. I don't remember exactly where or when.

The company provided infrastructure, utilities, housing, police, firefighting, schooling, etc for its employees/citizens. But it suspended many Constitutional rights in the town. Workers sued for violation of Constitutional rights. Usually you can only sue the government for violation of Constitutional rights, which was the company's defense.

Supreme Court said that if a company or non-governmental entity provided services that were very similar to what a traditional government provided, it was considered the government. Employees won.

I believe this is Marsh v. Alabama. (2 years out of law school here)
We can thank the Jehovah's Witnesses for this. Those damned kids and their free-speech needs.

[Sigaar]

Beauty of being self-employed. Me and my wife make our own rules...period.

[OB1theStogie]

Problem is... What's next? Testing your cholesterol?

[BMack]

Problem is... What's next? Testing your cholesterol?

I'm surprised this isn't already a thing. Testing your blood for this and must have kale present.

[Branzig]

Problem is... What's next? Testing your cholesterol?

My company tests BMI, Cholesterol, Blood Sugar, and Blood Pressure every year and for every new hire.

Obviously it isn't grounds for termination, but it is used for insurance coverage and the more unhealthy you are the higher your insurance deductibles are.

And yes, under my company's terms and conditions, I am a "smoker" so even though I meet all BMI, Cholesterol, Blood Sugar, Blood Pressure standards I still have to pay an extra 150 a month because I have a cigar or pipe every once in awhile.

Not right now, but who knows, maybe at some point if you are "unhealthy" to the company you work for it could be grounds for termination or not being hired.

[Cool Breeze]

My company tests BMI, Cholesterol, Blood Sugar, and Blood Pressure every year and for every new hire.

Yep. Me too.
I had to take a physical and I sit at a desk all day.

I went in for it last month (have worked there part time for 2 years and my patience paid off and just got on full time) and was told he thought I was diabetic. He circled "No" on cleared to work. I have 90 days to follow up, get tested and if positive to get on a treatment plan or I'm out the door. I assume this is because of insurance reasons.

One of his questions was do I smoke. I explained that I have a cigar or pipe 3-4 times a week. He made a note of it and said that they do distinguish between cigarette and cigar/pipe smokers. He didn't bitch at me at all, which kind of surprised me.

He did tell me to lose 50 pounds but hell, I already knew I need to do that.