I dont count mistakes an time I just like to play an ifin someone wants it I usually just give to them....I use a propane brick oven for heatin an files for shapin..dont like stones its like cheatin...manual labor for this country boy..like wood turnin I just like to play with steel or other metals...been smithin for yrs.. I do smithin at the Salem wv old days...nails, shoes, pins, collars an wheel rims...