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Today the U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced a new, comprehensive plan on its approach to regulating tobacco products that includes extending the pre-market application deadline for cigars. FDA commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb also mentioned that the agency will take a fresh look at the treatment of premium cigars under the agency's current regulatory structure.
From CA.....
FDA Extends Deadline—Will Reconsider Premium Cigars | News & Features
Sounds hopeful.
Another oppertunity to get a more favorable ruling. Not as good as an exemption but still a good oppertunity.
I hope the tobacco lobbyist have bought off enough of those crooked bastards to get the ruling changed. But I have little faith they can do anything. Pitiful bunch of smoke blowers.
Cigar Coop had a good write up on this.
https://cigar-coop.com/2017/07/featu...y-the-fda.html
It would be great if the science and reality of Cigars were given a change to prevail. It seems that science is becoming a dirty word in government but there may be home. The chemical make up of/production process/target audience for cigars is totally different than cigarette and e-cigs/vaping. It would be great if people would stop being scared of everything tobacco and just listen. I've never met someone who is truly addicted to cigars.
Not to mention it's one thing to regulate a product, it's another to set out to destroy it.
Unfortunately i think the tobacco lobbyists are more geared towards cigarettes than they are to cigars. As Jesse said, if you know the process of making cigars vs that of cigarettes, it's night and day!Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Smokey
^^^Nailed it. They will gladly throw Cigars under the bus if they have to save their own skin. Don't think for a second they wont.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brimy
These days 'science' is driven by a predetermined political agenda and you know it. If Uncle Sam wants to ban (or regulate to death) cigars, then it will be demonstrated that cigars are just as bad, if not worse, than cigarettes in every conceivable way; truth be damned.Quote:
Originally Posted by jhedrick83
Don't talk about regulate/destroy either. As you know, the second amendment has the language 'shall not be infringed' in reference to a person's right to keep and bear arms, yet look how many states and localities regulate the hell out of or even all out prohibit gun ownership of certain types. And where is big Uncle Sam to say that they can't do this?? The silence is deafening.
In an effort to not derail the thread I'll abridge my thoughts. Both are cases where the people need to remind the government who they work for. Both are also cases where it is the responsibility of the people to educate themselves so they can effectively communicate their concerns to the representatives. As in truly educate themselves not just read facebook or live in their echo chamber. There's benefit to disagreement and discourse, it's the only way to effectively changes someone's mind. Sure research can be bought and paid for but that's why transparency matters. Some issues are more black and white than others and there are cases when experts are ignored for political reasons as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor Zurg
Proper and rational regulation can be beneficial. Example, ask old Clevelanders about how the Cuyahoga river managed to catch fire. A completely unregulated world is a bad idea. Regulations have to have a specific and beneficial reason. I agree wholeheartedly with you about the right to bear arms when it comes to the type of firearm. At the same time, I feel there should be some basic guidelines with firearms. For example, if you are under a guardianship (deemed not able to care for yourself due to psychological problems) you shouldn't be allowed to have a gun. Specifically for the FDA regulations, regulations were put into place with extremely vague reasoning and guidelines. It was as if they had done no research at all and just decided that all tobacco is bad so let's wreck it all. Regulation of Cigars is a non-sequitur, who does it harm, who gets addicted, how does it ruin the lives of the youth. It's just moronic. Just my 2 cents, here's hoping this is more than just false hope.
@jhedrick83
Derailment is eminent if you ask the question or make any kind of statement regarding "who the government works for"!! LOL
Also very true!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brimy
Finally some good news for a change. It pays to send prayers to the Tobacco Fairy!