@Branzig What!? you messed up a bowl? And I asked you for advice..... Great post my friend, was nice to read this, and the replies. Feeling better about the pros still shitting the bed like myself from time to time. Either way I dont like any of you guys cause now I have the pipe bug.....BAD, not to mention Im getting into the cigars also! Oh well whats the big deal about a 2nd divorce!! lol Really love all you guys and the input,laughs, and the brotherhood that are here on THIS forum. Thank you all!